Adam Louis-Klein discusses the emerging concept of 'new anti-anti-Zionism.' They explore the intellectual underpinnings of anti-Zionism and its implications for Jewish identity and culture. Adam shares his personal journey from being immersed in radical leftist ideologies to recognizing the dangers of anti-Zionism, which he argues is a form of anti-Jewish hate. The discussion delves into the complexities of defining anti-Zionism versus antisemitism, the historical context of these ideologies, and the need for a robust discourse that addresses the nuances of these terms without conflating them. About the Guest Adam Louis-Klein is a writer, anthropologist, and musician completing a PhD in Anthropology at McGill University, whose work examines Jewish peoplehood, sovereignty, and contemporary forms of anti-Jewish hate. A regular contributor to *The Times of Israel*—and a writer for *The Free Press* and *Tablet*—he analyzes the symbolic and media frameworks that shape and legitimize modern anti-Zionist discourse. His doctoral research is based on fieldwork with the Desana people in the Amazon, drawing comparative insights between Indigenous and Jewish forms of peoplehood, sovereignty, and sacred geography. Adam holds degrees from Yale, the New School, and the University of Chicago, is co-director of *Oscillations*, a Postgraduate Fellow at the London Centre for the Study of Contemporary Antisemitism, and the founder of the Movement Against Antizionism (MAAZ).
00:00 Introduction to Anti-Anti-Zionism
02:09 Personal Journey and Ideological Shift
05:55 Understanding Anti-Zionism vs. Anti-Semitism
09:44 Critique of Indigeneity Discourse
15:23 The Paradox of Tolerance in Discourse
21:56 Structure of the Anti-Zionism Movement
24:28 The Power of Libel and Belief
27:56 Defining Anti-Zionism and Its Implications
29:29 The Challenge of Anti-Zionist Jews
32:54 Understanding Anti-Zionism as Its Own Phenomenon
36:38 Critiques of the New Anti-Zionism Movement
41:18 Strategies for Advancing Anti-Anti-Zionism